If you dont beleive in god the whole situation would appear ridiculous. wear my orange on St. Patricks Bushmills is very proud of its long Irish heritage and yes its head distiller is catholic but if someone wants to boycott this whiskey, not for taste, but simply because it is situated in an area populated mainly by Protestants then they are the one with the problem. I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. For the record I have had many a session all over the island both North and south. He was anti-Republican and his family was instrumental in organising the Orange Order in Dublin! As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). Talk about confused. Whiskey is Catholic. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. And to those who dont know, that hint of bourbon flavor comes from the fact that Jamesons is aged in used American bourbon barrels as are most Irish whiskeys. Though I like all of the ones mentioned above more. The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. By far the biggest of this selection. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. Yet a great friend of Catholic Ireland. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. Along with a fellow sipper we have over most of the Irish brands listed here in this thread as part of a 30+ years Christmas gift exchange and tasting session. Oh and Bushmills was NOT licensed to distill in 1608Thats marketing Bullshit. Not buying a certain brand of product because of centuries of English overlordship of Ireland is just so stupid on so many levels. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! Whiskey has no religion. Redbreast is wonderful, but spendy. But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. I was born in West Belfast and I can tell you, that most Catholics prefer Jamesons. linseed oil is used on its own or blended with other drying oils, resins and solvents as an impregnator and varnish in wood finishing, as a pigment binder in oil paints, as a plasticizer and hardener in putty and in the manufacture of linoleum. from wikipedia, Michael Jackson So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. I find Jameson to be a bit too sweet, I guess. Connemara Cask Strength is a real treat, and Greenore Single Grain is likewise enjoyable. What a treat. A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. You can see why I am confused. Rabble Rouser, Bushmills is not total UFV (sic) territory in the slightest. Cant comment on the long term contract in Cork as I hadnt heard that, but I assume they have some sort of get out clause if there is a contract. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. The worst mistake I made was ordering a Bass Ale in PJ Horgans on Queens Blvd. and Rangers F.C., the two largest Scottish football clubs sometimes referred to as the Old Firm, whose support base is traditionally predominantly Catholic and Protestant respectively. Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. CATHOLICISM vs PROTESTANTISM!! To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. In 1827, production was reported at 160,270 gallons,[5] and by 1833 had grown to 300,000 gallons per annum. Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. Instead, American Catholics drew exten sively from an earlier movement launched by Father Mathew, a Catholic friar in Ireland.1 This article analyzes the ways in which lay Catholics adapted temperance 1. Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. neat, I take Jameson if Bushmills is not available. Ferdinand II was a devout Roman Catholic and relatively intolerant when compared to his predecessor, Rudolf II. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. Theres not catholic or protestant whiskey. Irish whiskey is only good for shots. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. Period. The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. So have a pint, pull, prayer, and lets party. He said Jameson trucks it up there when Jameson is at capacity, and Bushmills has the resources to do it. Several years ago, I worked in Bulgaria and a couple of other Balkan republics; and found to my surprise that Irish Whiskey is somewhat popular there, though far outpaced by the ubiquitous Balkan hard liquors Rakija and Mastika. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Seriously (though I actually was), I very much appreciated the original article, as I had had often wondered about that Jamesons = Catholic; Bushmills = Protestant thing. Good luck and god bless Hun. What is the lore and legend and reputation of Tullamore Dew? These ideas still run deep and there are still a lot of untrue things people believe about Catholics. I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. ID was purchased by Pernod Ricard in 1988 and they sold off Bushmills to Diageo in 2005. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! Yup, only the americans give a shit about this stuff anymore. @Rob: my scotch comment was tongue-in-cheek. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. In true Irish US tradition, my son is a cop and we will drink any Irish whiskey all of which are superior to Scotch. I can just say Cheers! Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. Believe in the Trinity of God. Stick to the booze recommendations, the mixed drink recipes, and the things you have first-hand experience with. Liquorice-like sherry notes The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. in response to Irish whiskey is it catholic or protestant is irrelevant it is who is drinking it. Powers Gold Label is the best-selling Irish whiskey in its native Ireland. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. Thats like native Americans boycotting jack Daniels because of American colonialism. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. Nevermind the fact that it would be illegal in UK law. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! neither, Im a Jew. None of that means shit. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. The company has been running since 1780 and has developed and perfected the art of producing the premium quality, top shelf, and smoothest Irish whiskey in the world today. However, its all moot now as the French reap the profits in the end , Jameson, Bushmills, Tullemore, Red Breast, Powers. To my certain knowledge and as am employee of Bushmills (and a Catholic by birth, but an atheist by choice), you are entirely mistaken. @Allen: Thats just my point. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. I agree with Robert McHardy above. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . Whiskey takes no sides and is drank by all Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Atheist, etc. No coffee or anything green. Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! Click here to learn how to make this and other drinks for a slushie machine! As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". She didnt give a toss about anyones religion, let alone the whiskeys. Wonderful thread. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. Very easy arrangement. I am going to be the bartender at my college prom, and need a drink that will be popular with the kids. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. I was wondering this myself. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. The answer is that it depends on the distillery. In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. Im not sure that it says anything more than that it isnt a strictly American argument. I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. [3] At the time the distillery had three pot stills, though only one, a 500-gallon still is thought to have been in use. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! Just a point, Jameson is traditionally a Dublin Whiskey, originally distilled and blended in Bow Street in dublins Smithfield. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! As a proud Corkonian, I feel the need to set the record straight. You say What can one expect from people [Italians] who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life?, To continue the original theme of this thread religion IMO, grappa proves the existence of God. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. Heres the real question why does everyone insist on handing us shots of jameson late night in colorado? In addition to Powers Gold label, a 12-year-old premium blend, and several single pot still whiskeys have been released under the Powers banner in recent years: In the 2012 edition of the Whisky Bible, whiskey writer Jim Murray named Power's John's Lane Release Irish Whiskey of the Year and described it as "certainly one of the top five world whiskies of the year". I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. I was playing golf in Ireland, and I asked my caddy what was his favorite whiskey. Slainte. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. Methodist and Presbyterian. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. I will be at Ninkasis B, Thanks for having me this morning to talk about ou, Last night someone was like oh wow I didnt t, HAHAHAHA Thank you @makersmark and @whisky_in_mai_, Thank you @traveloregon for having us on the start, Over the years, people have come to associate us w, We feel like most of you who have visited our litt, Ive always been one of those people who thought, http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean). Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. Corvallisbarman is half right. The truth is that great whiskey is produced in both the north and south of Ireland. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. The old make, which we drank with our luncheon, was delicious, and finer than anything we had hitherto tasted. But in Falls Road and Shankill Road it is not really about religion, is it? Anyhow, being 2nd generation American with grandparents from Greece, Ireland & England, I come from a long line of short, fat, peasant stock (with alcoholic tendencies, thank you). Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. I do drink whatever. All Irish whiskey is great. Never once was I presented with a this is the north, or this is Ireland like many seem to believe in the States. . When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. Will never forgive parents. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. : ). 2. Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. It is true to say it is an almost exclusively Protestant village, but otherwise it is a quiet rural area on a picturesque coastline, visited annually by thousands of tourists from both side of the divide. Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. @Darby OGill. Now, its important to note that the Scottish Reformation occurred in 1560, so odds are in favor of the founder of the Jameson distillery, being Scottish, was a damn Protestant. A Mac computer geek thats too young to retire and too old for male prostitution. And if you just like something different then Cooleys your distillery (though that Michael Collins stuff is shite). [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. Im coming to celebrate Repeal Da, Fall book drop. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. He replied, Bushmills. However, it is generally accepted that the catagory, as a whole, is spelt that way as well. All of it. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. John Jameson was Pentecostal. You may see the Co. Offaly whiskey grow even more now that William Grant & Sons owns it, and will be building the new distillery soon. Im sorry but if not drinking a brand of whiskey for some very spurious political reason, and claiming drinking Bushmills somehow condones an Irishman losing his land seems pretty idiotic to me. To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. Had drinks in the Irish Embassy (in Korea) as an invited Englishman. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. (typically with the dots de-emphasised using colour and font size), is a brand of Irish whiskey produced by William Grant & Sons. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. Memories. [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. Generally, it is a little less expensive than Jameson. Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! Makes me want to get on a plane to Dublin immediately., Its like loving the smell of a sharpie or gasoline, in small way Kelsey Crenshaw. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. Irish for the whiskey Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. Fast forward 60 years. Love a pleanty Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Happy St Pattys Day. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. 1 line was bottling Bushmills. And a true story: as a young Dublin barman I was confounded by a true-blue Dubliner who asked for a large Shirley Bassey. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? It is calles an ORANGEMANhas nothing to do with Syracuse University. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. 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